QL & 82 series question
 

Were the QLs and 82 series gear drive tractors available with creeper drives?
Found a 1200 and 2-582s that are reasonable. Possible tiller tractors?

Yep, they sure were!

Great. I haven't found one with a creeper, but I assume the creeper drive and installation are pretty much the same?

Depending on your soil a gear drive can be a bear to till with. I prefer to till with a hydro but several other like the gear drives to till with. What sort of soil do you have in your area?:bigthink:

Why would the soil make a difference? A gear drive is not 'a bear' to till with in any conditions I have experienced...it will work just fine on either transmission type, but the hydros tend to get pushed around more by the tiller, it seems.

If the soil is good sandy loam the tiller will do a better job and it won't pull the engine as hard,if it's hard pan (has alot of clay in it) it will pull hard kinda like trying to till up your driveway! If is red clay it would prob pull hard too. The better the soil type the better it will work up and not work the engine as hard.I grew up on a farm,did that till 96 we farmed good soil and had some gumbo (soil with alot of clay in it) and when you worked it or plowed it ,was like plowing concrete. I usually worked up into two inch size dirt clods.

...All of which makes no difference whether the tractor is a gear drive or a hydro. Still wondering what Methos is talking about:bigthink:

Duke is probably talking about the slow speeds of a hydro. A hydro can still go slower that a gear drive with a creeper.





When in very hard ground, as you know, the tiller will push the tractor. A hydro is much easier to slow down and speed up as you get into different soil types.

There's no need to go slower than a gear drive in 1st with the creeper engaged, nor is there any need to speed up and slow down. The tiller does a better job if you maintain a constant speed, and a gear drive tractor does that far better than a hydro. With a hydro, you're holding the tiller back with transmission more than trying to creep forward.

I have used both and have found the gear drive to do a better job and not get jerked around as bad as the hydro, although the hydraulic lift is nice since the tiller is pretty heavy. The ideal tiller tractor would be a gear drive with hydraulic lift, IMO.

At any rate, either transmission type will get the job done.

Agreed..We three have our own opinions. :IH Trusted Hand:

OK....here is the original question...........

To answer this question correctly, one has to define "tillers".

IF------we are talking the IH built tillers (ie: 1, 1A, 2 & 2B) then these tillers will only properly mount to the QL Series (800, 1000, or 1200).

The 582 had an Aluminum Rear End and the only Tiller available for these models,. according to the Cub Cadet Attachment Guide, is the 190-400-100 Tiller. This does not apply to a 582S.

Now the subsequent postings are off on tangents and discuss on whether Gear Drive or Hydro Drive is better. It all depends on your soil conditions and ones likings.

Roland,
The 582 came with a cast rear too so if the ones he is looking at has the cast rear then the IH tiller will work.

Cubcrazy's right. Depends on if the 582's are IH versus CCC built. Too bad none of the three don't already have a creeper. Unfortunately, it's cheaper to buy one with the creeper, than to buy the creeper separately and add it.

As far as the hydro versus gear drive, everyone has good points and opinions on each tranny type. The gear drives do tend to hold the constant speed with WOT better whereas the hydro has to be "feathered". I till with a 149. While the hydro lift is great, I also have to have my hand on the hydro lever to modify my speed cause even in tilled ground, the hydro sometimes likes to get pushed. :TwoCents:

Cub:

Well, you are correct. In the "online" parts lookup, I couldn't find any reference to the IH cast Iron rear end. So, I went to my TC-193 paper version, and the IH cast iron version was offered with S/N : <719,999.

The 1988 Cub Cadet Attachment does NOT differentiate the tillers or serial number ranges.

After closer examination here is what a different Chart indicates.

See chart for correct Tiller application and Adapter Packages.....

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w.../190-400-C.jpg

Here is another case of conflicting or confusing data put out by Cub Cadet.

I found one of these in CT but $1700 is too rich for me. I have always wanted one.

Ace...