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sgt.porter 04-09-2012 08:40 PM

109 snapped drive shaft
 
Messing around adjusting the carb on my 109 this evening, heard a thud.

http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/a...0409122005.jpg

Didn't know enough to pay attention and notice it was a home made shaft with a pretty poor welding job.
Looks like I'll have to find a new shaft before I finish tilling.

Jeff in Pa 04-09-2012 08:45 PM

Weld too hot and crystalized? ( became brittle and snapped )

That's an easy fix.

IHinIN 04-09-2012 09:25 PM

The end of the shaft is supposed to have a 1/4" hardened pin crossways that rides in a slot in the coupler. Over time the pin wears a groove into the coupler and apparently a previous owner decided to just weld the shaft to the coupler. It's always fun fixing someone elses lazy fixes.

4SPEED 04-09-2012 10:07 PM

thats all Im finding on my 125 !!!!! cob job work all over it. but I think I got them all found and fixed. just put a cast fan and shroud back on it tonight when insalling the spring assist.

Ash_129 04-11-2012 01:54 PM

If the driveshaft was welded to the adapter coupler/hub that fastens to your engine, then you will need a new adapter coupler/hub too.

(I have the drive shaft and coupler/hub out of my 129, and replaced them with a double flex disk setup. But, my adapter coupler/hub has the problem that IHinIN mentioned.....hense the upgrade. Twice out was enough for me.)

sgt.porter 04-11-2012 03:12 PM

The hub isn't even original, it's solid all the way around with no slot for a pin.
I took it to a machinist friend yesterday, and just got it back about an hour ago. He cut the welds then made a slightly larger shaft, milled down one end and pressed the hub on then welded it in place as well as the flex disk mount, then balanced it. He did it for free so I couldn't ask for more.
I'm assuming I can cut this new shaft near the hub and install another flex disk. Would there be any issues with that?

Yosemite Sam 04-11-2012 10:41 PM

I hate to poop your party, but I'm pretty sure that having no movement there isn't a good thing.

I believe that having the shaft welded solid to the hub will either cause your flywheel cup to fail or cause the shaft/hub to fail again.

Someone please correct me if I'm looking at this wrong.

sgt.porter 04-11-2012 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam (Post 126436)
I hate to poop your party, but I'm pretty sure that having no movement there isn't a good thing.

I believe that having the shaft welded solid to the hub will either cause your flywheel cup to fail or cause the shaft/hub to fail again.

Someone please correct me if I'm looking at this wrong.

Yeah I figure that's why this one broke. I explained the pin and slot in the OEM hub to my friend, but he's Czech and thing's don't always cross over well.

What I want to know is would it be ok to cut this new shaft near the hub, take a bit off of it and weld mounts for a second flex disk? Or would the end of the shaft still have to have some motion in the hub?

Matt G. 04-12-2012 07:02 AM

There's no need to do any welding...all of the parts to add another flex coupling at the front are bolt (or pin) on.

sgt.porter 04-12-2012 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt G. (Post 126459)
There's no need to do any welding...all of the parts to add another flex coupling at the front are bolt (or pin) on.

Have a link for parts? I don't know anything about anything, but the mount for the flex joint on the hydro end of the shaft is welded on, so I figured a new flex joint would need welded as well.

cubs-n-bxrs 04-12-2012 10:28 AM

Could you show pics of the hydro end. Does the hydro end leak like a faucet? I would be lead to believe that welding that end would melt the seal in that end cap. Some people just shouldn't be allowed to play with welders. :bash2:

sgt.porter 04-12-2012 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cubs-n-bxrs (Post 126471)
Could you show pics of the hydro end. Does the hydro end leak like a faucet? I would be lead to believe that welding that end would melt the seal in that end cap. Some people just shouldn't be allowed to play with welders. :bash2:

Yeah it's hard to convey just what I mean without pics, but it'll be 7 1/2 hrs before I get home from work to take pics.
The shaft isn't welded to the hydro. There is a flex disk joint at the hydro end. The weld I mentioned is at the "T" at the end of the shaft. That 1x4 (or so) plate that bolts to the flex disk is welded to the end of the shaft. What I want to do is make 2 more of these plates, cut a piece of the shaft out of the hub end, weld these plates to each end of the gap and mount a flex disk there at the hub..
In my mind, doing so would eliminate the need for the pin and slot in the hub, but I dunno. Anyone here make their own drive shaft?

Ash_129 04-12-2012 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgt.porter (Post 126462)
Have a link for parts? I don't know anything about anything, but the mount for the flex joint on the hydro end of the shaft is welded on, so I figured a new flex joint would need welded as well.

Check out these posts. VVV

http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/s...ht=drive+shaft

http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/s...ht=drive+shaft


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