1200 clutch rebuild and ISO mounts replacement
 

Ok so at the NC summer plow day David was nice enough to let me plow with his 882D! Thanks David that was awesome! As I was smoking it up! David had the clutch go out on the 1200.:bash2: FYI That hurt my chances for the even up trade I was working on with David.:bash2::biggrin2:

Removing the clutch from the 1200 was so easy! Right away I was able to see what had happened. I'll let the pics do the talking! This ball in pic #3 came out during removal and I haven't had a chance to look at parts lookup yet to see what it goes too. The pressure plates need to be refaced and I've got a new friction disc to put it in and the teaser spring and throw out bearing are in great shape. Check out a PO's welding job!:bash2:

Onto the pics!

Looks like a chicken crapped all over it.lol

I am sure you have a new drive plate coming.Not sure about the ball,maybe it was in the input shaft on the flywheel.

I hope im not getting all the blame for this. :bash: I thought it was standard to install some of those Midwest Super Cub clutches in these things so they stay together during the plowing. :biggrin2:

You'll have it going again, in no time, Duke! :beerchug:

Hey Duke, that ball will go into the rear coupler then the drive shaft should slide in next. Think it might keep the shaft from flexing too far in or something. My 1250 had the same ball with the hydro. Make sure the front drive shaft bushing is in good shape. This is a good time to replace it too. :beerchug:

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It certainly does look like chicken crapped on it! Just for giggles I would like to see the new parts added to the thread as a comparison! I've never seen clutch parts on these tractors got a hydro myself! And this dosent look like anything like a car clutch i was expecting!

And David you must be ruff on clutches what couldn't decide what gear to put it in lol? :D

I too would love to see pics of the clutch assembled or step by step so I can follow where everything goes when I put my 128 clutch back together. Mainly the springs and washers and or spacers is what I am having a hard time with. Ahem I forgot to get a picture of mine before I took it apart, :bash2:

Page 2-23 show the complete clutch parts arrangement.It is in the 86-169 service manual...# 5 is not used in your application

Didn't smell like it tho!

Moral of the story don't let a Hydrostatic owner drive a gear drive at a plow day!:biggrin2: I'm not here to blame you David, I'm going to let everyone else do that.:biggrin2:

I just checked my bank account and I can't afford anything that comes from midwest super cub.:biggrin2: My last name isn't Stegal or Green!:beer2:

Thanks Allen!

Thank you! That helped a lot and now I don't have to go look it up.:beer2:

It does look pretty bad!

David was doing pretty good until he saw the R and he couldn't find his R finger to figure out which gear to go into next.:confused2.gif:

I'll not be taking the it apart any further but I will get a pic for you.

Or you could look at the manual like Lew has pointed out.:biggrin2:

Just so everyone knows I don't blame David. I blame the PO!:BlahBlah:

I forgot to add that I've checked them and greased them already. They were in great shape. Looks like half of the works was done right and the other half was welded.:biggrin2:

Ever get that feeling that your forgeting something? Well about 2am I went into the garage digging thru my piles of parts and I found another 3 pin driver! Whee! I got two spare motors last fall and forgot that one had a 3 pin driver on it. I moved the motors to a friends house so I wouldn't have to trip over them but I took the 3 pin driver off the motor and put it on the shelf next to the other spare parts! I've only seen a handful of 3 pin drivers and this one is the best shape.:biggrin2: I'll get some pics and post them later. Right now I'm feeling pretty happy that I saved some $$ and can get this clutch rebuilt and reinstalled today.:beer2:

Duke - it looks as if everyone has you going in the right direction! That ball does go in the flex joint at rear of drive shaft.

Looks like P O got his balls in a bunch or lost his marbles or .....:biggrin2:

Thanks William! How ya been? Been meaning to :callyou: but when I think about it's to late.:bash2:

The PO had somethng else on his mind when he was working on the clutch!:biggrin2:

Looking forward to your pics! :ThumbsUp:

I'm gonna have to do my 1200 clutch soon, appreciate the pics.... I have a spring that is broken and the throwout bearing is noisy or squeals....If it was a MTD it would a been dead years ago..

Are you getting the plates resurfaced or new ones??

Duke- I do hope you put that ball in the rag joint coupling! It transfers the clutch spring load to the transmission input shaft when you push the clutch pedal. Without that ball, the rag joint carries the load, but will let the shaft push back before your clutch disengages. I bet that rag joint is trashed, and could even have helped the 3 pin plate failure.

Sounds like you need a teaser spring and throw out bearing. Unless the large spring broken. I'm going to have the plates refaced.

I'll be putting the ball back in there! Rag joint is in good shape.

That clutch is gone! It will have alot more power with a new clutch.

You are lucky, I have been waiting for a 3 pin plate for 6 weeks now, apparently on backorder.

That would drive me nuts! Have you called CHris Westfall at Cub Cadet Calssics yet? He's got new ones in stock for $105. Cub cadet wants $123 for theirs. I checked Chris's site before I found mine and seen that he had them in stock.

Here's the link seach within the page for IH-117591-C1


http://www.cubclassics.com/cubparts2.html

Hope you get it all back togeather, up and running again!

Thanks John!

I've changed to title to fit the latest news on this clutch rebuild. The ISO mounts are shot! I have not checked the fronts yet but I have pics of the rear ISO mounts and the effect they are having on the clutch and 3 pin driver. Just like any wearable items ISO mounts do wear out and need to be replaced. I'll have a new set here tomorrow if all goes well.:beer2:

Some back ground info.

I got the clutch reinstalled and the motor was shaking and rattling pretty bad and I noticed that the 3 pin driver didn't have the same amount of pin in the friction disc so I got checking and made sure that there was no problem with the drive shaft itself. Everything checked out ok. So I got looking at the 3 pin driver that I had and noticed that the pins had varing lengths thru the friction disc so I rolled under the tractor to have a look. I was shocked to see that the ISO mounts were wore out already. The PO had changed them last summer and I haven't put that many hours on the tractor so it really cuaght me off guard to see them so worn.

I did get some pics of the drive shaft as well. Time for the pics!

Those don't look like they were replaced last year, they look like they're 30 years old.

That's who I ordered from. Got everything else in 2 days. I emailed him last week and said they were still out, so maybe mine is on the way???

I was going to remind you to check the ISO mounts and then figured you already had. Sorry. Mine looked like yours.

Duke, that next to last picture looks like the disc's in my spine, ouch. I know how that poor clutch is feeling :biggrin2:. You'll have that thing running like new again shortly. At least it is all a relatively easy fix. I definitely recommend the cradle mod.

I do love the pictures and cradle mod by Richard Christensen! I love that new oil pan that he used.

They do look pretty old! I guess David was a little harder on the 1200 then I thought he was.:biggrin2:

When I put this rebuilt motor in they looked good but they no good no more! I hope your 3 pin driver comes in soon!

Ouch that sounds painful! Just got to do the work and it'll be fine in no time! I think the cradle mod has been fone already.:bigthink:

The cradle mod will definitely make things better. It was done on the 1250, I owned. :beerchug:

My drive plate arrived last night, but so did alot of distractions, and I never got to bolt it up. Looks like I'll be busy in the am.

Awesome news! Looking forward to your updates!

Me too! :biggrin2:

I got off my butt and worked on the 1200 today! I just can't seem to get into working on this 1200. No clue why, but once repairs are done it's going on the for sale block! I've got replacement in mind but going to have to make a road trip to get it and it's a family tractor so the 1200 has to go! Not sharing the pics or model until I complete the deal. I'm just odd like that.

Imagine my suprise when I find a nut used as a ISO mount! The PO wrapped the old rubber around it to find the nut.:bash2: I got use the 125 FEL to make it easier to get the broken axle out. Made it so easy to work on!

Now that is a nasty looking set of ISO mounts... New ones will make it so much nicer. A replacement for the 1200??? :bigthink:

Nice Iso's Duke!

I know what it is!:biggrin2:

I'm still ticked about that nut being used as a ISO mount.:Explode:

Nice?:HeadScratch:

Shhhh no letting of the cub out of the bag you!

I've said it before, it's amazing what PO's do to the cubs.

I meant "Nice" in a joking way! hehe

My lips are sealed!:biggrin2: