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JOHN SCHUTTE 05-05-2011 12:55 PM

Crankshaft bearing questions
 
I am needing help finding an aftermarket (SKF,TIMKEN) bearing number for a K301 engine. The numbers I found on partstree are IH-ST436P or IH-ST436 and have been unable to interchange them. I have also read that the Kohler 8 ball bearing design is better than the 11 or 12 ball design due to less friction. Is this true? Is there any tips or trick to removing/installing the bearings without using a press?

rfrank 05-11-2011 06:14 PM

Is there a number on the old bearings? On my k321 the bearings are a nachi 6308 open style bearing. I believe the 241, 301, 321, 341, all use the same bearing. check evil pay. I agree 80.00 each from kohler is a bit much

ol'George 05-11-2011 07:57 PM

Deere gets $59.00 for them but evil pay has some for less than $20.00

william1041200 05-11-2011 09:36 PM

any force you apply to a bearing has to be applied to the inner race only- as the inner race is in contact with the crankshaft. Pulling off a used bearing with no intention of re using it, tap on outer race if you want. It will move, just slowly. Installing new bearings, I grease the shaft journal and use a piece of tube steel to tap the inner race only. You could tap lightly in a rotary motion to work it on, but that tends to get it cocked and locked .

JOHN SCHUTTE 05-12-2011 08:10 AM

Thanks Guys for the information!:beerchug: Now that I know it is a 6308 I can interchange here at work. NAPA # 6308J, which sells for 65 bucks.:biggrin2:

rfrank 05-23-2011 08:57 PM

I just installed my crank bearings I received from evil pay for 40.00 and they were koyo bearings cant beat that.

machinehead323 06-05-2013 04:54 PM

this thread is a little old but i am rebuilding a k341 that i broke the rod in lots of pieces, cause the oil ran low. i made steal plug that goes where the crank goes in the id with a large handle i can tap on. thay came out nice. when rolling them i felt some things that may have been contaminates on teh races or balls. i dont know what all got in there from teh grenade or sludgy oil. well im looking at bearings now too. mine was an SKF 6308/C3Q66. when i looked it up there was nothing on SKF's site with those numbers. there was about 6 different 6308 bearings on there though with different specs. Brian Miller has aftermarket ones on his site for $15 each from china. id rather not have a china bearing in there. so do i just look for a bearing that has just 6308?

dvogtvpe 06-05-2013 06:50 PM

put these in http://www.mcssl.com/store/midwestsu...n-ball-bearing I wash the bearings out and unless I see rust, pitting, fretting or galling on the race or the ball I reuse them. I don't ever remember having to replace one unless it had rust on it from sitting. even then I just put good used ones in. The bearings in the link above are 12 ball instead of 11.

dvogtvpe 06-05-2013 06:51 PM

I've had cranks break in half and still reused the ball bearings.

austin8214 06-05-2013 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by machinehead323 (Post 198278)
this thread is a little old but i am rebuilding a k341 that i broke the rod in lots of pieces, cause the oil ran low. i made steal plug that goes where the crank goes in the id with a large handle i can tap on. thay came out nice. when rolling them i felt some things that may have been contaminates on teh races or balls. i dont know what all got in there from teh grenade or sludgy oil. well im looking at bearings now too. mine was an SKF 6308/C3Q66. when i looked it up there was nothing on SKF's site with those numbers. there was about 6 different 6308 bearings on there though with different specs. Brian Miller has aftermarket ones on his site for $15 each from china. id rather not have a china bearing in there. so do i just look for a bearing that has just 6308?

The bearings Don listed are excellent. However they are pricey. If you go to a local industrial supply store like grainger or motion industries they will be able to help you out.if you take them your old bearing.

J-Mech 06-05-2013 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by machinehead323 (Post 198278)
this thread is a little old but i am rebuilding a k341 that i broke the rod in lots of pieces, cause the oil ran low. i made steal plug that goes where the crank goes in the id with a large handle i can tap on. thay came out nice. when rolling them i felt some things that may have been contaminates on teh races or balls. i dont know what all got in there from teh grenade or sludgy oil. well im looking at bearings now too. mine was an SKF 6308/C3Q66. when i looked it up there was nothing on SKF's site with those numbers. there was about 6 different 6308 bearings on there though with different specs. Brian Miller has aftermarket ones on his site for $15 each from china. id rather not have a china bearing in there. so do i just look for a bearing that has just 6308?

If you roll those bearings, and they have a "tick" or you feel something like contaminates in it.... REPLACE THEM! I wouldn't put a china bearing in it. Have a parts store, or preferably a bearing company, match the old bearings. SKF's are good bearings, so are TIMKEN, BCA. I recommend either SKF or TIMKEN. Don't "fudge" your rebuild by not replacing, or putting a cheap bearing in. Yeah, they're expensive..... So what. Do it right, so you don't have to do it again. If your rod grenaded, I wouldn't even consider running those old bearings again. But, it's your motor....

machinehead323 06-05-2013 08:56 PM

I cleaned them up and put some new 30wt on them. They feel good but I think may feel something. It may be in my head. I called my local bearing shop and they have skf's on the shelf for $35 ea. small price to pay for peace of mind. I can't put the old ones in. I'm like 99% sure there fine but oh well. That's like a good meal eating out that I will crap out the next day. I'm thinking I could be dead bf this thing will need rebuilt again.


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