Very interesting

[Ozcubowner]

Engineering point of view.......



So......what do you think ? 🤔


INTERESTING - ONE OTHER QUESTION. IF ELECTRIC CARS DO NOT USE GASOLINE,
THEY WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN PAYING A GASOLINE TAX ON EVERY GALLON THAT
IS SOLD FOR AUTOMOBILES, WHICH WAS ENACTED SOME YEARS AGO TO HELP TO
MAINTAIN OUR ROADS AND BRIDGES. THEY WILL USE THE ROADS, BUT WILL NOT
PAY FOR THEIR MAINTENANCE!

In case you were thinking of buying hybrid or an electric car:

Ever since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile of those
things has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg in terms
of gasoline, with nary a mention of the cost of electricity to run it.
This is the first article I’ve ever seen and tells the story pretty
much as I expected it to.

Electricity has to be one of the least efficient ways to power things
yet they’re being shoved down our throats. Glad somebody finally put
engineering and math to paper.

At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro executive.
I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got
serious. If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed
out, you had to face certain realities. For example, a home charging
system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is
equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25
homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than
three houses with a single Tesla, each. For even half the homes to have
electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.

This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential
infrastructure cannot bear the load. So as our genius elected officials
promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things
and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive, new
windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire
delivery system! This latter "investment" will not be revealed until
we're so far down this dead end road that it will be presented with an
'OOPS...!' and a shrug.

If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are
eco-friendly, just read the following Note: If you ARE a green person,
read it anyway. It’s enlightening.

Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and
he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted
only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline
engine.” Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it
ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and
the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.

It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10
hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5
hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging
time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of
electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The
cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I
looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies
with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh
= $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles =
$0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a
similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per
gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile.

The gasoline powered car costs about $20,000 while the Volt costs
$46,000-plus So the American Government wants loyal Americans not to do
the math, but simply pay three times as much for a car, that costs more
than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive
across the country.


Please note , I have not researched these comments I only pass them on
Oz

[R Bedell]

Thanks for the article.

I have never ran the numbers but I always have been skeptical of these electrics. Of all the people that I have had discussions with, these people seem to have this illusion that the electricity to charge their cars falls out of the sky, free of charge.

[olds45512]

My brother in law has a Prius and it's getting pretty old, he said it will need new batteries in the next couple years and I believe he said it was about $7,000 to have them replaced. I'm sure that all these years of getting 50mpg has more than paid for it but that sure is a big chunk of change to drop on a car that old, I told him he should just sell it now while the batteries are still decent and let it be someone else's problem.

[ol'George]

Then there is the ethanol debate.
Most of the corn I raise goes to the local processor.
I till, fertilize, spray, harvest and truck the corn.
then it is processed and trucked again to the refineries to blend .
Yet they say it is efficient to burn it and cleaner for air?
What about all the fuel I burn and chemical I apply to grow it,
is that not considered?
I don't know, but money is being made and it is not going to the grower.

They talk of mandating electric cars in California in the future, The grid will not handle it as been stated.
They are dismantling coal in favor nuclear, wind and solar, yer the nuclear waste is stored in temporary storage as there is no safe, long term place to store it.
Wind is not self sustaining without subsidies,
oh and I recently read where in my state they are taxing individuals that put solar panels on their roof or properties.
They say it increases the property values and they want to raise the valuation, thus raising the property tax.

[Merk]

Originally Posted by Ozcubowner

Engineering point of view.......



I pay approximately (it varies
with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. I have not researched these comments I only pass them on
Oz

I pay only $.0485 per kwh (yes $.0485) for the next 3 years. The county I live in lets the commissioners seek bids for electric power. The price is lock in for 3 years.

by ol'George
Then there is the ethanol debate.
Most of the corn I raise goes to the local processor.
I till, fertilize, spray, harvest and truck the corn.
then it is processed and trucked again to the refineries to blend .
Yet they say it is efficient to burn it and cleaner for air?
What about all the fuel I burn and chemical I apply to grow it,
is that not considered?
I don't know, but money is being made and it is not going to the grower.

What would the price be for corn if it wasn't for the ethanol plants???

No one is telling you that you have to grow corn.

The last fill up on E85 I paid $1.70 a gallon. For me it is cheaper (cost per mile) to run E85 than is is to run E10 gas. Non ethanol gas around here is $.40 to $.50 a gallon higher.

[yettrbomb]

Let’s not forget how dirty it really is (nature resources and heavy metals, etc) to manufacture batteries and solar panels!

[Oak]

I think Tesla's are pretty cool cars and launch off the line super fast. I see more and more of them around my area but they are too much $$ for me.

I don't think that article is from the US. Most homes I have been in have at least a 200 amp panel and we pay way less for a KWH. My power is about 10.5 cents / KWH. The average in the US is 12 cents / KWH.

I often wondered about those cars not paying the gas taxes but still using the roads. Every commercial building we work in has charging stations and they are always full. You pull in, swipe your card, go to work and come out in a few hours and move it so someone else can charge up.

I believe I heard that Porsche will stop production of 100% gas vehicles and start making only gas/hybrid or all electric soon.

[ol'George]

In my state:
Electric car and plug-in hybrid owners pay annual
surtaxes of $135 and $47, respectively, to compensate
for non-payment of the road-use fee on gasoline.
Derived from here:
https://www.michigan.gov/documents/m...1_345554_7.pdf

[Terry C]

Urban areas are for electrics. In my rural area it’s 28mi to town. I’m never going to own a hybrid. My electricity at the farm is also three times what it is at the shop in town.

[ol'George]

Originally Posted by Merk

I pay only $.0485 per kwh (yes $.0485) for the next 3 years. The county I live in lets the commissioners seek bids for electric power. The price is lock in for 3 years.



What would the price be for corn if it wasn't for the ethanol plants???

No one is telling you that you have to grow corn.

The last fill up on E85 I paid $1.70 a gallon. For me it is cheaper (cost per mile) to run E85 than is is to run E10 gas. Non ethanol gas around here is $.40 to $.50 a gallon higher.

No one is telling me yet to grow corn, and @ 72, I prolly should sell my old vintage tractors/equipment for scrap, and sit on the porch and let nature take it's course.
But I enjoy being productive and doing what I always did, although at a much reduced acreage.
The thought if sitting in a chair playing board games is not my idea of retirement, but I'm sure all will have different ideas.
As a good steward of the soil, it is advised to rotate crops, IE: soybeans/corn, or other crops.

My son has a late model pickup truck that can use E85 fuel as per manufacture.
For him, the reduced mileage/power of E85 does not pencil out vs the reduced fuel cost of E85.
Cost ways, it it is better to use just regular E10 which is commonly available.