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Ag tire or not
I'm maybe thinking of ags on my 1864. I haven't had many issues with turf tires with mowing since I like to mow when it's not wet and theirs no big slopes to deal with but I kind of find it a pain putting chains on the turfs before winter for the blower or the blade. I'm guessing I can't beat chains on turfs for the winter but I've never had ags on a garden tractor so I'm unsure. Any opinions would help, thanks?
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I put Ag's on my 784 about 10 yrs ago. Never regretted it. I use the tractor year round. I use it in the winter with a 54" dozer blade. Install chains and rarely get stuck. I mow with it in the summer all day long.
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I mow yards that are flat, hilly, hard, soft.
Early on, (years back) I thought I needed Ag tires. Matter of fact, my first garden tractor I mowed with was a Wheel Horse, five horsepower with dual rear Ags. Later, I progressed through a long series of CC's. The first had Ag tires on it and I swapped them for Turfs as I didn't like the bumpy ride and I found my grass wearing thin where I was making sharp turns and tearing up the grass. The Turfs took care of both problems plus I found that applying extra weight on the side of the seat would take care of any loss of traction problems. I bought a 1650 that had Ags on it. I added the big, heavy wheels weights(75 ea?) and hung a blower off the front. Couldn't do much without tire chains though. Having several other tractors with chains, weights and a blower, I found that the Turfs with chains had better traction in the snow than Ags with chains. I have a friend that has a 2084 and he runs chains year around on the back tires. My thinking if he needs chains to cut the grass he'd be better off getting some billy goats and staking them in the yard. |
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This question has been ask several times and has gotten heated in the past. I will give you what I have found. I have a 1572 with filled turfs, wheel weights and chains. I never take the chains off and use it to mow without any issues. I also have a 1772 with filled ags and wheel weights. I have compared the two side by side multiple times to compare traction. In snow with 54" plow, in dirt with 12" plow and in stone drive pulling a DR power grader. In every case the Turfs and chains out performed the Ags. I don't think the Ags are bad but the turf/chain set up worked better when compared side by side. The difference was not huge but definitely noticeable in all three test. I am sure you will get the complete opposite opinion from some others but I have done this comparison several times keeping all equal ( I believe the 15 and 17 to be pretty equal machines )except tire set up and got the same results. My criteria of what works better is either tractor getting stuck or wheels spinning. Just for the fun of it the last time this came up I switched the tire set up on the two tractors and still got the same results. At some point I should throw a set of chains on the ags and what happens.
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With ag tires, the chains tend to go into the low areas between the lugs.
It is generally accepted most fellows see better results with turfs + chains, and weight,--- either filled tires or add on weight, or both. Ag's are great for ground engaging work, can't beat them. And of course the "wow" factor some feel. If you find it a pain putting chains on, you are doing it wrong. And you don't need springs, bungee straps or shock cords with chains. Just take some time once and shorten the chains to fit your tires. After that it takes more time to jack up the wheels than to slip on a set of chains. 5 minutes or less is the norm to install. I can do a bigger farm tire (15.5x38) in less than 10 min. ( it takes more time to jack up) Not bragging, just experience. |
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When it comes to snow and ice I prefer turfs with chains, I run ags the rest of the year.
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In my experience, Ags seem to work better the heavier the machine is. I always felt chains on (garden tractor) ags, are worthless as they actually loose surface area to put "chain to ground". On my new machine I am going to keep the turfs this year with 2 link chains. When they go I will most likely go to HDAP tires and chains. Not 100% certain on what weights if any I will use on the new XT3, I have to see how it does and where it fails.
Ags have their place, for sure. I still have 2 machines here with Ags and wouldn't change that. Ags with wheel weights, loaded tires and sometimes a few suitcase weights that I can move from corner to corner or front to rear as needed.... with no chains has always been a great combo for me on the 125, 1450 and (gone now) JD318 and (gone now) our old wheel horse. |
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I was sceptical, but kept spinning out on a hill. Bought some Firestone 23-degree AG tires and absolutely love the performance.
Only thing I don't like is the way they look on the machine, as I don't think the tire to machine ratio is quite right. But they work very very well.
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Thanks for the reply guys, I never mentioned I might use the blade for some dirt grading and ( well you never know) so that's what got my brain thinking ags. A little off subject on this thread but I did get my double valve put on and added hydraulic to my blade plus some reinforcement where it latches
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1- 1864 Dual hyd, cat 0, axle braces 1- 1450 Dual Stick w/ power steering 1- 1200 in pieces 1- 1864 in pieces QA36A Thrower, #1 Tiller w/ extensions, IH windbreaker, IH wheel weights, 44C mower deck, 50C mower deck, CCC 54" Blade, GT46 high vacuum deck, GT54 deck, Cub Tripple Bagger, Custom dozer blade, Custom suitcase weights, 3pt cultivator, lawn sweeper, original R-Bucket |
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