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Uh, Excuse Me
Gee guys;
I only can only wonder where the idea that Vanguard engines were not made by Briggs comes from. I used to work at a Briggs plant, and there sure were alot of em' going down the line. By the way the plant was here in the states and Daihotsu was not in the name. Sincerely; CadetFarmer |
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Or, looks like it might have come from these various manufacturing agreements. From Wikipedia: Daihatsu Briggs & Stratton (DBS) – In an effort to stave off Japanese competition during the 1980s, Briggs & Stratton entered a 50/50 joint venture with the Daihatsu Motor Company in Japan. Located in Shiga Prefecture (50 miles (80 km) from Osaka, Japan), construction on the then-57,000-square-foot (5,300 m2) plant began in December 1986 and was completed in April 1987. This joint venture was notable for the manufacture of vertical and horizontal crankshaft engines from 12.5 to 22 hp (16 kW) under the Vanguard brand. Today the plant employs roughly 100 people on two shifts and manufactures Vanguard V-twin engines ranging from 14 to 36 hp (27 kW).[7] The Mitsubishi Agreement – The Vanguard line initially consisted of three single-cylinder engines and several V-twin engines. The V-twins, made by DBS, had sold very well but the single-cylinder engine models, originally produced at Briggs & Stratton's Menomonee Falls, Wisconsin plant, didn't fare so well. Briggs & Stratton needed to solve this problem, so, following discussions with several Japanese engine manufacturers, it entered into an agreement with Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd. of Tokyo, Japan. Briggs & Stratton produced only certain parts for the engines, while Mitsubishi was responsible for overall production and shipping. The completed single-cylinder Vanguard engines were shipped directly to customers worldwide. Briggs & Stratton had exclusive marketing rights only in North America, Europe and Australia/New Zealand. MHI had exclusive marketing rights (under their own brand name) in Malaysia, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan. In other countries both companies competed with the same product under their own brand names which led to considerable friction, and together with escalating production costs in Japan, caused this otherwise successful relationship to fail. Briggs & Stratton commenced marketing alternative U.S.-made single-cylinder engines under the Vanguard brand in early 2007.[8] The Komatsu Zenoah Venture – In May 1987, Briggs & Stratton entered into an agreement with yet another Japanese company, executing a 10-year contract with the Komatsu Zenoah Company of Tachikawa, Japan. Under the terms of the contract, Komatsu would manufacture a 2-cycle, 4 hp (3 kW) engine, in which Briggs & Stratton would purchase and distribute in the United States, Europe, Australia and New Zealand. Said Fred Stratton, "This venture was not successful, because the rising price of the yen made the engine too expensive in the U.S."[9] |
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I love kohlers, but the B&S Vanguards are the best V-Twin
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Vanguard
I like them as well ... repowered my 1450 with a 14hp last year ... except for the engine and blade noise feels smooth as silk. The paint mixer falthead was much more uncomfortable to stay in the saddle with.
I've read some of the buggy websites ... and I may try this this winter, one mild mod is to simply advance the timing if I remember right ... 4 degrees and a minor jet change. only gives you a 1 HP or so but they say torque increase is noticeable. They sell this little upgrade as a kit. B. |
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I've got a 1440 and wouldn't mind a few more (even 1!) HP, so who is "They" and where can I get the kit? Thanks in advance for the info! |
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Ford flat head vs. merc.
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Looks like you forgot to take your meds again.
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Where does the rear hose connection connect
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I think you need to start a new thread and ask this question. And be more specific. What are you trying to do? I don't understand the question..... |
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i was born and raised in a state where alot of small engine manufacturers were all either started built or headquartered...kohler cast iron singles, (i would say best air cooled engine ever built..considering amount of parts, power/ torque, cost of rebuild, application, etc) just kill the briggs of the time hands down....some say the 3 degree valve angle, i say just the shear mass and quality... look at a starter from a 1975 briggs vs what kohler decided to use... ever worked on an old wisco...????thats a good motor, great motor...tecumseh sucks!!!, and briggs went cheap earlier...aluminum blocks with cast iron sleeves,(which everyone would do) poor quality control, rods pop all the time, youll see so many aluminum briggs in the boneyards that will spin over with the piston not moving on top...ive been working on them since i was 6, and although ive seen one with over 2k hrs on it, they are second to kohler for sure...the kohler courage REALLY hurt them, and they havent always built gold standard either its even put them behind brands like kawasaki, suburu robbins, etc...but their gen-sets and new diesels are supposed to be pretty top of the line stuff...yeah if it wasnt for japanese gearheads and c.e.o's about to lose their bonuses briggs would be dead...trust me ive been driving past that place since i was a kid..
.just my opinion of course besides, if briggs or the vanguard was so good then why cant you get one in a scag?? best mower on the market, (also made in WI by the way) and if you havent mowed with one dont tell me theyre not!!! kawis and kohlers and kubota diesels is all they offer....i really thought that liquid cooled would be the way of the future for lawn equipment...but after owning one i see why theyre not....just plug the radiator or screen too much..most brands even offering less water cooled models than before....good discussion though...we have beer and harleys here too...used to have lots of beer |
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