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Old 12-10-2017, 11:00 PM
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Not many Series 1 left to know what a lot of hours means. However, those things blew up like popcorn under warranty (and shortly after it expired), my dad saw more than 1 come in the shop. They also caused a lot of folks to turn "green" and never look back. At this point--30 year old engine, I'd say any Series 1 is a roll of the dice.

Two things I have heard on those, stay off hills and banks and ALWAYS check the oil to see if it has gas in it. One of dad's customers caught his engine full of gas twice.

So what you looking at, a 6 or 782? Been a lot on CL lately. Got a friend down east working out a private sale of his right now.
Didn’t Deere have the series 1 in the 317?

I think a good number of series 1s were replaced with series 2s over the years. Which reminds me that the IH 782 I picked up a month or two back came with the original owners manual and it had the delivery receipt in it. The serial number matched the engine serial number so I’m guessing it’s the original motor, unless it was changed and just the tin was kept.

Did any IH 782s come from the factory with series II? The serial # break in the manuals makes it seem like it happened after 700,000.
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I'm going to agree with George, I wouldn't trust any of the tinwork, the filler neck or air cleaner as that is all easily changed. My y/w 782, the selling guy 'thought' it had a series 2 because it had the round air cleaner. I drove 6 hrs to get it, and it's a series 1. The engine wasn't a deal breaker for me so I took it anyway.

I take a flashlight and look through the grill at the area George described when I look at a twin.

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My CCC made 782 has a series 1 in it, unless it's been replaced at some point you should assume it's a series 1.
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I have a JD 317 right now, I just assumed its a series 1 because it doesnt have any "Series II" stickers like some others Ive had. It runs, pretty well actually. I'll have to check now... wasnt sure how to tell them apart before.
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I'm going to agree with George, I wouldn't trust any of the tinwork, the filler neck or air cleaner as that is all easily changed. My y/w 782, the selling guy 'thought' it had a series 2 because it had the round air cleaner. I drove 6 hrs to get it, and it's a series 1. The engine wasn't a deal breaker for me so I took it anyway.

I take a flashlight and look through the grill at the area George described when I look at a twin.

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Interesting. I’m guessing the tinwork must have been moved over because I have s/n 667432 and it’s got a series II in it and it has the original serial number on the left side head tin that matches the original document I have for it. The corner of the tag is kinda peeled up but who knows how that might have happened over the years.
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Didn’t Deere have the series 1 in the 317?
Pretty certain some model of Deere did, seem to remember a long time friend that was a Deere mechanic talking about the exploding Kohlers. It wasn't long afterwards when Deere seemed to migrate toward Kawasaki. don't know if that was Deere's motivation but a lot of pissed off Cadet owners applauded the switch and jumped ship. Similar to what happened with the IH strike in the 70's. IH and Cadet are basically gone here.
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I believe the series II came out in 1984.I have a 1985 782 that came with a series II.All IH built came with a series I eng.
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Pretty certain some model of Deere did, seem to remember a long time friend that was a Deere mechanic talking about the exploding Kohlers. It wasn't long afterwards when Deere seemed to migrate toward Kawasaki. don't know if that was Deere's motivation but a lot of pissed off Cadet owners applauded the switch and jumped ship. Similar to what happened with the IH strike in the 70's. IH and Cadet are basically gone here.
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I believe the series II came out in 1984.I have a 1985 782 that came with a series II.All IH built came with a series I eng.
Doing a bit of reading, it looks like JD started putting Series II in the 317 (built from ‘79 until ‘83) in ‘82.

Depending on who you ask, they offered a retrofit kit to put an Onan in either before the Series II came out or after the 318 came out in ‘83 with the Onan 18hp.

I suppose I’d be pretty pissed too if my $11,000 tractor (in today’s dollars) needed a new $2000 engine after 3 years or less of running.
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Thank you all for the input. The tractor is a 682 and it looks really good but it's a Series I and I don't have 10 feet of level ground on my property. (Well that and I have (cough) several cubs already.

Thanks for your patience with the repeat info. I did search before asking but my search Fu is weak.

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Thank you all for the input. The tractor is a 682 and it looks really good but it's a Series I and I don't have 10 feet of level ground on my property. (Well that and I have (cough) several cubs already.

Thanks for your patience with the repeat info. I did search before asking but my search Fu is weak.

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