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Old 10-12-2017, 06:38 AM
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Confirmed my suspicions tonight. Blown up rod and the crank is junk too. It looks like the other rod is scored inside the end that attaches to the crank too. The guy ran it out of oil and sold it to me as needing some TLC.

It's a frustrating and humbling experience for me to know that I couldn't even identify a blown up engine. The guy was an @#$%#@ to deal with and I hope karma catches up with him in the future.
I know how you feel, same thing happened to me on this one
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Old 10-12-2017, 06:59 AM
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I bought a new engine for it from Northern Tools
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...arch=6007-2851

Small Engine Warehouse also has a good price on them
http://www.smallenginewarehouse.com/...tegory=1710236

If you decide to repair your existing engine these guys are good to deal with
https://www.jackssmallengines.com/
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Old 10-12-2017, 07:16 AM
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This is the 1641 that I re-powered a couple years ago.
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Old 10-12-2017, 09:46 AM
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Confirmed my suspicions tonight. Blown up rod and the crank is junk too. It looks like the other rod is scored inside the end that attaches to the crank too. The guy ran it out of oil and sold it to me as needing some TLC.

It's a frustrating and humbling experience for me to know that I couldn't even identify a blown up engine. The guy was an @#$%#@ to deal with and I hope karma catches up with him in the future.
It happens... But if you rebuild or repower it, you'll have a good tractor.
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Old 10-12-2017, 08:37 PM
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Thanks for the pics and advice, guys. Sam, my folks have a 1641 with the 46" deck like you've got. It does a pretty good job with the bagger. I bagged a lot of leaves with it in my younger years... Looks like you built a custom front end for yours. Was that out of necessity from bad plastic?

Sorner, thanks for the advice about lye via PM. I picked some up on the way home from work in case I got into it and decided I wanted to try to get the aluminum off the crank. I tore into it the rest of the way tonight.

Looks like the heat got to the crank and discolored it. Is it ruined even if I could get the aluminum off the journal?

The second pic is of the rod that isn't broken. It feels smooth but looks damaged. Salvagable?

Finally, the bore looks fine in the cylinder that the rod broke in. I can still see hatching and don't see any cracks or dents. I noticed what looked like marks from the casting or small cracks, though. They don't go through. Would that be alright if I rebuilt it?

Right now, at a minimum I'm thinking 1 new piston and rings, 2 new connecting rods, a new crank, and new gasket set to get it rebuilt. Probably at least $250. I need to think about it for a bit.
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"V" twin Vanguard engines are to rebuild! The discoloration on the crankshaft is burned oil. Take it to machine shop and have the crank polished and inspected and the bores checked for size. Metal transfer typically occurs in a lack of lube situation. If you can reuse the crankshaft, make sure the oil passage ways in it are spotless! If you go with the repower, consider Sam Mac's suggestion.
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I was in this exact position last year. Bought a clean 1641 "mechanics special" that ran on one cyl for $175. After finding that the motor was junk I was lucky enough to stumble across an ugly and beat up looking 1641 on cl for $200 that ran good. A motor swap later and we are mowing great!
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That crank will clean up, I've used muriatic acid, it takes a bit of time but it will eat the aluminum off it.
Then you can see if it is scored, which I doubt.
Of course the engine will need complete dissembled washed/cleaned thoroughly to remove the debris/crud and a through inspection for other related damage, as is standard practice.
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Thanks for the pics and advice, guys. Sam, my folks have a 1641 with the 46" deck like you've got. It does a pretty good job with the bagger. I bagged a lot of leaves with it in my younger years... Looks like you built a custom front end for yours. Was that out of necessity from bad plastic?
Sorner, thanks for the advice about lye via PM. I picked some up on the way home from work in case I got into it and decided I wanted to try to get the aluminum off the crank. I tore into it the rest of the way tonight.

Looks like the heat got to the crank and discolored it. Is it ruined even if I could get the aluminum off the journal?

The second pic is of the rod that isn't broken. It feels smooth but looks damaged. Salvagable?

Finally, the bore looks fine in the cylinder that the rod broke in. I can still see hatching and don't see any cracks or dents. I noticed what looked like marks from the casting or small cracks, though. They don't go through. Would that be alright if I rebuilt it?

Right now, at a minimum I'm thinking 1 new piston and rings, 2 new connecting rods, a new crank, and new gasket set to get it rebuilt. Probably at least $250. I need to think about it for a bit.
The front end was because the plastic was junk and I didn't care what it looked like just as long as it ran good. I've done two 1641's like that.
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