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Old 07-30-2017, 02:43 PM
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Your starter looks clean though.

Here is slow reverse issues.

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Old 07-30-2017, 09:32 PM
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Your starter looks clean though.

Here is slow reverse issues.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9j...ew?usp=sharing
Starter was $47 delivered from DB Electrical---you supply your own dirt and grime.
Thanks for the hydro bulletin! Printed it out to take to the shop.
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Old 07-30-2017, 10:47 PM
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Starter was $47 delivered from DB Electrical---you supply your own dirt and grime.
Thanks for the hydro bulletin! Printed it out to take to the shop.
I've used a bunch of starters and alternators from DB Electrical.. Automotive and small engine... fast, reasonable and never had an issue with quality... I would highly recommend them. They have all the popular Kohler and Kubota starters in stock!
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:46 AM
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Update time!
PTO clutch had a small crack in the insulation, so I painted over the area with liquid electrical tape. Cleaned the crank and put it back on (used a dab of never-seize). Now it was time to see if this thing would mow grass. The answer---Yes, sort of. You have to hold the switch all the way up in the spring loaded position, PTO kicks off when it falls back to run position.

So, time to start tracing things--I need help if you guys have any ideas.

Lets start with what I have done. I replaced the key switch, not saying that is the problem, but look at the pic and you will understand. I had already ordered a switch so I put it on. The black wire on the switch had gotten really hot, I had to cut it back and install a splice and new end. The connector has melted obviously, where do you buy those and how do you know what to get?

The PTO clutch itself, this is the non adjustable kind--doesn't have the 3 little bolts and locknuts. If it pulls in nice and crisp and holds to mow, air gap wouldn't be a problem would it? I did see a thread on here where a guy faced a little off one of the shoulders (in a lathe) to close his air gap.

Battery test 14 volts with meter and has no problem holding a charge or whipping the starter.

Safety switches--I think this is where the problem is. To begin, the one for the "clutch" pedal is just laying on the rockshaft wrapped in tape. Looks to have been done quite some time ago. Darn thing has 6 wires going to it, I suppose Cadet has a reason, but that switch was a lot simpler on the old machines. Assuming this is the clutch switch it works/is bypassed because engine cranks up without touching any of the pedals--I'll restore this back to proper safety function later.
Now there are 2 seat switches, a grey and a black. I don't know which one goes on what wires, but the parts book lists one as normally open, the other normally closed. I THINK, they go in a depression/slot at the back of the pan the seat is mounted to. There is a spring loaded plate above that that works the switches. To clarify, the black switch is in that slot, The grey one is not, it was just laying on the fender pan. Either the plastic tab the held the switch in broke, or someone pried this switch out of the slot. I did notice a skinned place on a wire going to the grey switch--maybe it has friends? Oh yeah, the 2 wires going to the black switch show resistance with my meter, the 2 on the grey do not.
Regarding the reverse switch, it appears to work. I disconnected the wires and if you toggle the switch, continuity alternates from one side to the other (there are 3 wires on it). It is adjusted so in neutral, the switch is not tripped--until you push the hydro lever to the reverse side of the slot.

Oh, there is a relay to the left of the battery. When I took it off there was actually a small hole in it and distorted looking plastic, battery acid or got hot? I replaced it (parts house crossed the Bosch number over with no problem). I need a third hand to help activate the seat switches and toggle the PTO to see if it works. I am ASSUMING the PTO will not stay on unless you are in the seat, or do the seat switches just kill the engine making the PTO irrelevant?

My thinking is to go after the seat switches and wiring if the relay didn't fix the problem--do you guys see something I don't?

Also, what in the heck is up with the 2 wires held together with a wire nut? Likewise, look at this splice in a ground wire---runs all the way to the battery?
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John,
Wire nut should be a voltage sensor there, you need a wiring diagram,and Sam may have one.
The connector has a part number, it is 729-0126
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For the switch connection. Check out electricaldepot.com, Delphi 56 series. I think you want the 5 way female 2973422. Please double check me on that. I went and ordered 5 each of the 5 way, 3 ways, 2 way and 1 way. In both the male and females plus the terminals. The shipping is a set dollar amount so I stocked up.
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John, here's the schematic for yours. Looks like the "run" portion of the pto goes through one of the seat switches that provides positive to the reverse relay coil, violet and black wires. . I would do some checks specifically in this area as those connections are sometimes problematic. Remember that some of these switches are n/o and some are n/c but held open or held closed.

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Old 08-06-2017, 08:18 PM
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Wire nut should be a voltage sensor there, you need a wiring diagram,and Sam may have one.
The connector has a part number, it is 729-0126
Oh joy, something else to figure out. Looks like the voltage sensor is still mounted beside the battery and hooked up


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For the switch connection. Check out electricaldepot.com, Delphi 56 series. I think you want the 5 way female 2973422. Please double check me on that. I went and ordered 5 each of the 5 way, 3 ways, 2 way and 1 way. In both the male and females plus the terminals. The shipping is a set dollar amount so I stocked up.
Thanks, I'll be looking into those, I seem to be running into more bad wire harness every few months.

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John, here's the schematic for yours. Looks like the "run" portion of the pto goes through one of the seat switches that provides positive to the reverse relay coil, violet and black wires. . I would do some checks specifically in this area as those connections are sometimes problematic. Remember that some of these switches are n/o and some are n/c but held open or held closed.

http://www.cubcadet.com/equipment/AR...0-A/0041300044
Well, I tried to print it yesterday but couldn't read it. Today I saved it to my computer as a picture and now I printed it out full size and it is much more legible. Depending on how crazy I get trying to get the rest of the electrical working (4 more dash lights unhooked/not working) I'll need it for sure. Not to mention sorting out the "wire nut".
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:23 PM
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The PTO is working now! Turns out it was the relay. I picked one up last night and stuck it in, but got the same results. I realized this morning that I failed to trip either seat switch. The way I have wires and switches dangling everywhere, this is a 2 man job. Got my dad to work the seat switches. We tried various combinations and found the BLACK seat switch controls what happens with the PTO. Don't know what the grey one does but it doesn't have any effect on the PTO. To prove it was the relay I put the old one back in, problem was back. Put the new one back on, problem gone again. Hopefully about 15 minutes of tidying up some switches and I should be ready to test mow.
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Good work, John. Electrical is a night mare on these Supers.
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