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Old 09-04-2017, 01:52 PM
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Default Cyclops main lift cylinder.

Been trying to search OCC for info on rebuilding the main lift cylinder for my 2182. Not having any luck finding info.

The issue:

Last year when I belted up a Haban 325 deck to the 2182 it was noticeable how steady the deck settled. I figured it was the extra valve I put in. So, I rebuilt both valves recently. I am no master hydraulic technician by any stretch, but I did follow the directions.

When I put the Haban 401 blade on recently, it still settles.

Upon review of the Cub Cadet website there WAS a rebuild kit but now NLA.

And I don't want to fork out a pile of cash for a NOS cylinder.

What other options are out there??
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{125, 126, 2072-Sold~regrettably, 2284 60 inch Haban 325 deck., 451 snowblower, 2182-60 inch Haban 374 deck- "Money Pit", 401 Haban 54 inch dozer blade- rebuilt, 1440-down the road, Another 2182 for parts. Another 2284 for parts. 450 blower. 1812-sold, 2072 w/ Haban 374, and a 2182#3 w/ Haban 325}-------> All SOLD
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Old 09-04-2017, 07:08 PM
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Lew is an option.....heheheh so is ebay, they are the same for a 1211 and 1811 ect.ect.
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Old 09-04-2017, 07:40 PM
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May not be a cylinder bypassing at all. May just be a suction leak in one of the fittings or lines.
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Old 09-04-2017, 08:37 PM
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May not be a cylinder bypassing at all. May just be a suction leak in one of the fittings or lines.
If it had a suction leak, the hydro would whine, and the steering would be jerky.



Steve, and hydraulic shop can get you O-rings. They can even get you the lock ring you will need to take it apart. But, if you've never rebuilt a cylinder with a lock ring style, get ready for some fun, if you can even get it apart.... hehehe.
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Old 09-04-2017, 10:03 PM
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There are no other symptoms such as herky-jerky steering or excessive hydro whine. There are no leaks, drips, or suction leaks (that I am aware of).

I was reading section 5-40 of the Cyclops service manual on page 5-83. First tool mentioned I do not have. The 3/16 adjustable spanner wrench. I'll check with my brothers on the farm to see who they use for their hydraulic work.

I do have another cylnder. And, there is always Lew.

The issue is not horrendous at this time. But I would like to see it fixed.

Thanks for the suggestions.
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{125, 126, 2072-Sold~regrettably, 2284 60 inch Haban 325 deck., 451 snowblower, 2182-60 inch Haban 374 deck- "Money Pit", 401 Haban 54 inch dozer blade- rebuilt, 1440-down the road, Another 2182 for parts. Another 2284 for parts. 450 blower. 1812-sold, 2072 w/ Haban 374, and a 2182#3 w/ Haban 325}-------> All SOLD
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Steve, I've not seen a Cub Cadet yet that would hold the 60" Haban up for very long. Even back years ago. They are pretty heavy, and that cylinder just uses an o-ring on the piston. Not backed by a teflon ring, or a heavier material seal. I think you're wasting your time.
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Old 09-04-2017, 11:48 PM
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Steve, the three tractors I have with hydraulic lift (782, 1650,2372) all settle before the next morning. Most times they are set on the floor before the end of the day, but I leave the decks up to get off the tractor, and sometimes forget to bottom them out...
Why do/would you want to leave the implement up anyway? Or does it settle immediately?
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With the tractor running 1/3- 1/2 throttle, the blade would settle to ground in 30 seconds or less. To move about with the blade in the up position, I had to pull the valve handle every 5-10 seconds to keep it from scraping the ground, depending on terrain changes.

When ever the tractor is off I leave all implements in the down position as a habit.

I was hoping the valve rebuild would fix it. That leaves the cylinder or the pump?

I have an extra cylinder set up. Was thinking about switching it out to see if things would improve. However, I struggle with the idea of doing that work and putting in a cylinder which I am not sure is any better.
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{125, 126, 2072-Sold~regrettably, 2284 60 inch Haban 325 deck., 451 snowblower, 2182-60 inch Haban 374 deck- "Money Pit", 401 Haban 54 inch dozer blade- rebuilt, 1440-down the road, Another 2182 for parts. Another 2284 for parts. 450 blower. 1812-sold, 2072 w/ Haban 374, and a 2182#3 w/ Haban 325}-------> All SOLD
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Valve rebuild was a waste of time. The only o-rings in a spool valve only keep oil from leaking out. A spool can get scored, and let it not hold a load, but if it does, replacement is the only option.

Pump has NOTHING to do with it.

Has to be the cylinder, or a bad spool valve. I'm betting cylinder.

You can pressure test a cylinder with a porta-power.
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Been a while since I turned a wrench on anything Cub related. I found out my Dad had a couple gland nut wrenches. I measured the top pin holes on the cylinder cap at 13/64. The gland nut wrench pins were a hair larger. I opened the holes with 7/32 drill in order to get the wrench pins to fit. Had to put a piece of pipe on a long 1/2 inch breaker bar to bust the sum beach loose. Was able to get the wire out fairly easy. Pulled the cap and cylinder piston out after a while ramming and twisting. Probably should have reached through the wire slot to cut the top o-ring as the directions suggested. Of course I did not read that tid bit till later....

Could not get the bottom piston unscrewed. I usually do this type of work with my Dad or brothers around for back up and better ideas on how to do stuff. They were all in dispose. Suddenly I remember our member Diesel Doc. He has a great deal of experience in all things mechanical. So I let the text messages and pictures fly to him. I exhausted most all options available to me in the family farm shop arsenal of tools. I knew where this would end up. At his urging he said to get the heat wrench involved. I sammich'd the piston in between a couple pieces of wood to clamp into vice. Het the piston for a bit. No joy. Put the torch to it again heating the piston to red hot. I placed a long alignment punch through the "eye" of the cylinder stem to try twisting it loose. Would not budge. Walked it right outside and threw it in the snow. After it cooled I wrapped a seat belt style loop wrap wrench around it and the piston came off with a bit of persaution.

The stem has a few pits in it. Not sure if this paticular cylinder is worth saving or not. However, it feels good that I got the dang thing apart without any major destruction.

The cylinder came out of a 2284 I picked up cheap last summer sans the engine and hoods last year. That tractor had a tuff life and spent time in the road salt apparently.

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At the very least I now have access to the oil rings to match them up a the hydraulic shop. I will pass along sizes as they come available to me.

If anyone else already has the o-ring and wiper seal part numbers/sizes I would certainly appreciate the information.

Thanks for the help Diesel Doc!

I'll update as progress is made.
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70, #1 cart. Brinly Cultivator. Some wheel weights.

{125, 126, 2072-Sold~regrettably, 2284 60 inch Haban 325 deck., 451 snowblower, 2182-60 inch Haban 374 deck- "Money Pit", 401 Haban 54 inch dozer blade- rebuilt, 1440-down the road, Another 2182 for parts. Another 2284 for parts. 450 blower. 1812-sold, 2072 w/ Haban 374, and a 2182#3 w/ Haban 325}-------> All SOLD
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