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Old 10-07-2017, 06:11 PM
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what about building some tracks to go around each pair of wheels, then you only have to deal with left or right loosing traction, and then use the brakes to help steer. that would be interesting.
Wouldn't have to build them.... you can buy them. They make them for skid steer loaders. Just order the size you need!




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Old 10-07-2017, 09:01 PM
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what about building some tracks to go around each pair of wheels, then you only have to deal with left or right loosing traction, and then use the brakes to help steer. that would be interesting.
In that case it would be better to use a dummy axle for the second set rather than two live axles.
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Old 10-07-2017, 09:38 PM
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Turning brakes aren't going to really make any difference.
Turning brakes work on the tractors, skid steers and dozers in have ran, why wouldn't it help turn this once it has a load on?





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In that case it would be better to use a dummy axle for the second set rather than two live axles.
Why? It would work fine with two driving axles. Actually, probably better with two drives. Either way, it would be a b***h to steer with tracks!


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Turning brakes work on the tractors, skid steers and dozers in have ran, why wouldn't it help turn this once it has a load on?

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Tractors have single drive axles, so brakes work.

Skid steers have two hydrostatic drive motors. One for each side, then chain drive to the wheels. No brakes. When you move the handles, you simply stop the flow of oil to one drive and it "skids" to turn. Or you can reverse the direction of one set of drives, while the other is going forward.... and it "skids" to turn. But that's the key, the wheels skid. That's why it's called a "skid steer". You aren't steering it with a steering axle. Completely different than this set up. Ever drive a skid steer with a load in the bucket on grass? It isn't very friendly to a yard!

Dozers have tracks, and a drive for each side. They steer EXACTLY the same way as a skid steer loader, only they use brakes and can't reverse drive one track. Now the track tractors like the Cat Challengers use a different system..... but again, no front steering axle. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

Like I said, what the OP is building is basically a twin screw truck. Would steering brakes make a difference..... maybe, but there are a lot of "IF'S". It's a long way to the steering axle.... *IF* they were really good brakes, and on both axles, and the load was only on the rear, and he could get them to work together, then yes, they would probably "help". But the disk brakes on a CC axle are marginal at best. I really don't think they are going to do much. I know on a SGT with steering brakes, you can step on the brake and you can't slide the front end around like you can with a tractor. (Unless you're carrying a 48" tiller on the rear.) When I've tried to use them, I didn't think they did squat really. I've never had one that could lock up a wheel. Just not big enough brakes. Convert them to hydraulic calipers from a 4 wheeler and you might get it to work. If you could get the brakes to hold enough to be able to lock up both wheels on one side, I think it would just drag the tires, start to steer and just tear up a lot of grass in the process. I think the best thing is to get more weight on the steer axle because it will steer it if it can get traction.
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Old 10-08-2017, 09:56 PM
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Yes, I know how they all work.

Now, if you had no load on the rear axles they would not do much. But with a load, if you turn the wheels and grab a brake, they would help, pretty simple really.

Yes, brakes on both axles.

And yes, I have run a skid steer on grass, dirt, asphalt, gravel and slick concrete. The slick concrete is really kinda fun, drift into the corners! But asphalt sucks, it grips and is a real bear to turn without throwing your load outa the bucket!






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But asphalt sucks, it grips and is a real bear to turn without throwing your load outa the bucket!
That's no joke.....
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My understanding of a walking beam twin axle arrangement is that is allows the two separate rigid axles to pivot relative to each other as well as to move up or down relative to the other axle. Essentially keeping all four tires on the ground with approximately equal loads. Is this correct?
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My understanding of a walking beam twin axle arrangement is that is allows the two separate rigid axles to pivot relative to each other as well as to move up or down relative to the other axle. Essentially keeping all four tires on the ground with approximately equal loads. Is this correct?
Yes.

Walking beam is different that independent suspension like in an air ride equipped set up. But the walking beam is better with keeping equal load on all four tires.
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Hey Jon - that might be a fun build, use four small air bags for suspension and panhard bars/torque arms to locate the axles. Of course now you'd need a source of air for the bags -----
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Considering the use of two cub rear ends as is being discussed.

If you mounted one of the pair of axles rigid to the frame and allowed the second axle to float up/down and pivot, that would accomplish much the same thing, right? Only one of the pair would need to actually need to float.

If you did this, would that allow you to power only one axle? The second axle would just be a tag axle, load bearing but not driving. And by floating it, it would not cause loss of traction to the rigid axle. Am I thinking correctly?
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